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I'm new to this so my questions might seem to simple to some. I love the Eleanor's and want to build one. If I'm correct you need a 67-68 fastback
to start out. The problem is you can't really find those cars for good prices anymore. They are either very expensive and restored or still expensive and
all rusted out. Is there an option in which you can convert a coupe into a fast back and then an Eleanor. Has anyone done this and how does it come out copare
to the regular fast back?
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Is there an option in which you can convert a coupe into a fast back and then an Eleanor.Yes, it's called a lot of time and money and in the end you end up with a Coupe VIN or an illegally altered car..... The only way anyone should consider swapping a FB roof onto a Coupe is if they have both vehicles parked side by side. There's a lot more than meets the eye... a lot more than just the roof involved. What is your budget? Dave |
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vikingz |
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To answer your question directly, yes people have converted coupes to fastbacks, it is possible. I would however highly recommend you to reconsider this option. Even if you are a highly skilled craftsman I highly doubt the conversion is any cheaper in the end vs waiting to find a legit fastback from the get go. This is your 1st post so I can't truly judge your wants and wishes. Just reading into your post a bit, this car isn't cheap to build, so trying to save few bucks to start off from coupe to fastback isn't the best approach. |
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Yes it can and is done.There is an outfit in Arizona that transforms coupes into fastbacks for 8500.00.Read the Ebay ad.Sounds as though all the rusted
floors,rails,etc are all replaced.The only problem I see is when it comes to sell the car one day you'll never get as much resale as a fastback.Building an
Eleanor is not cheap.I feel you would have more money into a transformed coupe than you'll ever get out of it.However,this is an option for you.I not
having my car built with any expectation of returning a profit.I don't care.I'm just building a high HP,show car Eleanor.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1967-68-MUSTANG-FASTBACK-CLONE_W0QQitemZ270213282683QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item270213282683 |
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I posted a few links in another tread of Fastback project cars on Ebay over the last few weeks. Most of them sold for between 6k-9.5k. I don't have a lot
of experience when it comes to Mustangs but I would start with a FB over a coupe any day.
Experience is the name everyone gives to their mistakes......
Before you call for one for the road be sure you know the road... 67 FB, 428, 4sp
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750hp |
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The problem is I know what I want but I have very limited knowledge now. Thats why I have started my research on the net. My main concern is RUST. I know
all old cars would have some but I dont know what acceptable or could be fixed. What if I purchased a project car on ebay and its beyond repair or way to much
rust. Correct me if im wrong but I think panels are ok and available after market but the frame is very important. Can a badly rusted frame be fixed and
strenghtend?
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JEE 740 |
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These cars don't have frames, they are unibody. They do have frame rails, but that's not the same as a full frame. Anything can be fixed as far as
rust is concerned, it's just a question of if you want to spend the money to have it done. Most often, it's more cost effective to pay more upfront on
a car that has little to no rust, rather than paying a shop to repair the rust that you know about, on top of the rust that they'll find once they start
tearing the car down.
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Hello, long time lurker here. I'm an actual customer of Drake Customs, the outfit in AZ that converts coupes to fastbacks. Let me first just say that Ray
Carmody, the owner of the shop, is one of the nicest, most professional and ethical small business owners I have ever worked with. He not only does coupe to
fastback conversions, but builds other recreations such as the Shelby GT500, as well as over a dozen Eleanors. Because of his quality work, he is backed up
with orders, both from the U.S. as well as Europe and Australia.
Why did I go the coupe conversion route? First of all, I'm not a purist, just a guy (like most people) who really loved the Eleanor car from the movie. In fact, as most of you know many purists will turn their noses up at Eleanor conversions. As it says in Drake's eBay store, "many consider it reckless to take a matching numbers fastback and convert it to an Eleanor." Coupes, on the other hand, are cheap and plentiful. Personally, I see little difference between starting with a coupe or a fastback, since in both cases you have to cut up the car (obviously moreso with a coupe) and add a lot of fiberglass parts to both, but that's a matter of preference. Now most people who don't have the amazing skills of the good folks on this board have a few options: (a) buy a turnkey from one of the big Eleanor builders, which can run anywhere from $80k - $190k, or (b) get a used one from eBay which still cost a bundle, and some have obviously been driven to the ground. That's why I like Drake: their prices are very competitive (especially since they start with coupe conversions) and the quality is outstanding. Yes, the resale value will be lower, but it's more than a wash considering that I spent less than half of what many folks do. So what we did was find a 68 coupe that had seen better days but still had good compression and add $5500 on the fastback conversion, for a total of $8000 for a running donor car. That's half the price of a Dynacorn, and it was a driver. We are now well into the process of converting it to an Eleanor, from this:
to where we are today:
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427GT500E |
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Well there ya go 750hp.We have a new member who has the coupe to fastback conversion form the Arizona guy.I'd be looking very seriously at that option
since a good fastback shell is hard to come by these days.
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Thought I'd add a couple more photos of the coupe to fastback/Eleanor conversion process. Ignore the dates in the first few photos, they forgot to change
the date on the digital camera. Project started in January and is due for completion in March.
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Welcome to the forum RAScalif. Do you have any more pics...this is very interesting.
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67Rob |
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Welcome to the forum RASCalif. Do you have any more pics...this is very interesting.
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RASCalif |
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Here you go. One thing to note: compared to some of the projects on this board, my car will probably not meet the standards of many here who shoot for
perfection. I purposely went this route to save money, and plan on selling this one to get another one with a big block from Drake.
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67Rob |
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Thanks. Don't worry, mine isn't 'perfect' but I am more than happy with the finished result.
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DaveSanborn |
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Don't let the criticism of some of the members here stop you from becoming a contributing member. Everyone here has an opinion of what the finished
product should look like, but it's just that, their opinion. Your opinion of the car is the only one that matters.
Keep up the great work and thanks for coming on board! Dave |
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RASCalif |
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Thanks for the kind words. It's funny, I've been part of many forums and half expected to be flamed by now for going with a coupe conversion. I
remember a while back being roundly attacked at the Ferrari owners forum for making a comment I thought was harmless, but in fact offended some hardliners.
Much more supportive group here.
All glass is included with the conversion. I bought a full interior kit from Laurel Mountain that includes every interior piece (I hope) for around $1200. I didn't go with the fold-down rear seat although it was an available option. I do have some questions. I'm going with a NOS Go-Baby-Go option, although not too much boost--probably another 50 hp per squirt. On nitrous, do most of you have this? Is it worth the $500 extra I'm paying or would that money be better spent elsewhere? Also, I went with the side exhaust, but I'm curious what the downside is on that option for long-term owners? Finally, I went with non-functioning side and lower scoops. Is there some kind of trim I can use to make them look like they are functioning scoops? Again, thanks to all for this great board. Regards, Ray |
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It's funny you should bring this up.... While cruising eBay for some other items (SuperCharger), I noticed this guy is selling a couple nice NOS setups,
but to answer your question, I'm not sure about everyone else, but we didn't use NOS on my sons Ecar. I've noticed that some owners are, but most
seem to be "simulating" NOS by installing the button, switch, and bottle for aesthetics only.
You stated that you bought the FB interior kit, but as part of the conversion process are all of the mounting locations present? The interior pieces screw into some unique brackets that are not found on the coupe.... and I'm not sure if they're included with the Dynacorn roof (doubtful). If you're not going with a fold-down, what are you going to put back there? I can't think of a downside to using the side exhaust.... For the scoop openings, there is a fairly recent thread on this. Usually the scoops are "cut out" and a screen is installed. I suppose you could blackout the opening and then install screens. Here's the link to the NOS auction (same seller has three listed) http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NOS-NITROUS-HOLLEY-CHEVY-FORD-MUSTANG-POWERDYNE-PAXTON_W0QQitemZ110229511699QQihZ001QQcategoryZ33741QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Dave |
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RASCalif |
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Ray just told me to order all the interior parts and he would take care of installing them, so I don't have the specifics. I'll be sure to follow up
with him.
Still on the fence about the NOS. I would think that a working system would increase the appeal of the car, although on the flipside, I can understand a buyer's concern that I may have hit the buttom too many times. Just getting a standard non-folding back seat. With the 4 kids, I will definitely need the backseat, as I did with my old Mondial (although it can barely be called a backseat, just look at how cramped my poor little girl's legs are against the driver seat):
Funny thing, once I got the muscle car bug my previous obsession with Porsche's and Ferrari's just faded away. I remember a line from Jason Giambi
in the (now lamented) UP episode in Rides, how his teammates ignored the Ferrari's and Lambo's in the parking lot when the Eleanor drove up. I can
relate...
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DaveSanborn |
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Brother you better get busy with the Mustang! That little girls legs aren't going to stop growing!
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Hey nice job and welcome. If they didn't flame me for building an Eleanor Coupe they won't for a conversion! I considered this swap too, I have had my
hardtop for 18 years. I had to do a lot of work myself and this seemed like too big of a job to do myself. I just made a Ecoupe but I knew it was possible to
make FB. Good to see the photos, keep us up to date on the build. This is a great option as even junk FB's are going for outragous prices!
As for the NOS, I don't think it is a big deal unless you race the car. I also have questions like Dave, I have FB that is missing some of the trim and weatherstripping around the side windows. It's not reproduced. I'm hunting down original stuff which is nearly impossable. I'd be curious how they are going to finish the conversion... Craig
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427GT500E |
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I think Drake Customs is doing a fantasic job on your car Rascalif.It's not a small undertaking to convert a coupe to fastback and it sure looks authentic
to me.So congrats to you and the builder.As for the nitrous,well that's purely your opinion of what you want in the car.I'm having a 100 shot
installed.My car will be far from the correct movie car but I think it will have much more appeal than the movie car.Again,it's all in what you want.Keep
the pics coming.
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